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Aug 2, 2026 - 5:19pm
steeler wrote:
Question: If it were definitively established at start of the Covid pandemic that it originated from natural transmission from animal to human OR from a lab leak in China (intentionally or accidentally), would the approach taken in the United States for prevention and treatment have been different?
Of course not. Which is why this is a stupid diversion in the news, like the other bullshit
Question: If it were definitively established at start of the Covid pandemic that it originated from natural transmission from animal to human OR from a lab leak in China (intentionally or accidentally), would the approach taken in the United States for prevention and treatment have been different?
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Aug 2, 2026 - 2:02pm
Question: If it were definitively established at start of the Covid pandemic that it originated from natural transmission from animal to human OR from a lab leak in China (intentionally or accidentally), would the approach taken in the United States for prevention and treatment have been different?
Steely_D wrote: And so, we're in agreement. All this is speculative looking into a foggy cracked rear view mirror to declare some weird "truth."
We ask again: WHAT DOES IT MATTER? kurtster wrote: Using your logic, the same can be asked about Epstein and the files, right ?
Was anyone harmed by Fauci's actions/inactions/private thoughts of vanity? Did people die? Did he create a dangerous vaccine?
Remember that we knew little about Covid, the various strains that kept popping up, changes in virulence, etc. We had trouble measuring its spread. Fauci and others did the best they could. Perhaps someone could have done a better job, I don't know.
I do know that Trump lied to people about Covid, that he regularly downplayed the dangers of Covid despite getting contrary advice, that he cut funding for public health programs, that he tried to blackmail state officials into supporting him in turn for federal funds and supplies.
I do know that Trump pushed people to inject bleach and/or Ivermectin in order to combat Covid. People died as a result of thought and his failure to lead during the crisis.
So stop whining about Fauci. You want to blame someone, start with Trump.
If you can't admit Trump's failings and misdeeds during the Covid crisis, your arguments don't deserve consideration.
AS FOR THE EPSTEIN FILES:
A massive group of men raped and trafficked underage girls. There's considerable evidence that Trump participated. Maybe you think pedophilia, rape and institutional coverup are neat-o, but those of us with morals and a belief in the law think those men should be in prison. So yes, the Epstein files matter a goddamned great deal.
KURT, YOU KEEP SAYING IF YOU DON'T HAVE BORDERS, YOU DON'T HAVE A COUNTRY.
IF WE CAN'T PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS, DO WE HAVE A SYSTEM OF LAWS, DO WE HAVE A COUNTRY?
There is no scenario where any Republican would have listened, understood, and then changed their mind. Thatâs like saying, âmaybe if I go in and pet the lions they wonât bite me in the Colosseumâ
just watch the ludicrously nonsense interview with Kennedy today and youâll see that this administration has no concept of right and wrong. Just showmanship, bullying, and self-aggrandizement. Obama made that mistake: trying to be by partisan. The Republicans would have no part of it. They donât deserve our respect now.
The public - myself- would appreciate some direct answers, regardless of the clowns doing the questioning.
seems another âconversation â going off the rails⦠again.
Fauci taking the fifth makes him seem a coward. Lord knows the pandemic had plenty of screw ups, some intentional and others just mistakes.
It would have been helpful to hear Dr. Fauciâs insights and reflections on the pandemic⦠what could have been done to improve its management, and which decisions may have made the crisis worse.
But of course, the republican cowards werenât after the truth, and for that in some way I donât blame him for taking the cowardâs path. but he could have stepped up and put them in their place.
Rand Paul said he wanted Fauci 'behind bars' prior to the questioning. With that context, how much power do you want to give him?
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Aug 2, 2026 - 1:27pm
black321 wrote:
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But of course, the republican cowards werenât after the truth, and for that in some way I donât blame him for taking the cowardâs path. but he could have stepped up and put them in their place.
There is no scenario where any Republican would have listened, understood, and then changed their mind. Thatâs like saying, âmaybe if I go in and pet the lions they wonât bite me in the Colosseumâ
just watch the ludicrously nonsense interview with Kennedy today and youâll see that this administration has no concept of right and wrong. Just showmanship, bullying, and self-aggrandizement. Obama made that mistake: trying to be by partisan. The Republicans would have no part of it. They donât deserve our respect now.
seems another “conversation “ going off the rails… again. Fauci taking the fifth makes him seem a coward. Lord knows the pandemic had plenty of screw ups, some intentional and others just mistakes. It would have been helpful to hear Dr. Fauci’s insights and reflections on the pandemic… what could have been done to improve its management, and which decisions may have made the crisis worse.
But of course, the republican cowards weren’t after the truth, and for that in some way I don’t blame him for taking the coward’s path. but he could have stepped up and put them in their place.
As this discussion evolves, I have come to another conclusion.
IMO, Fauci was playing god and has been caught red handed. Now he is and his willing worshippers are facing the reckoning for their actions.
Yes it is. A lesson learned long ago here in the States during the Watergate hearings ... the coverup is almost always worse than what is being covered up ... This time however, both are equally bad.
EPSTIEN FILES
kurtster wrote:
Steely_D wrote:
And so, we're in agreement. All this is speculative looking into a foggy cracked rear view mirror to declare some weird "truth."
We ask again: WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
Using your logic, the same can be asked about Epstein and the files, right ?
seems another âconversation â going off the rails⦠again.
Fauci taking the fifth makes him seem a coward. Lord knows the pandemic had plenty of screw ups, some intentional and others just mistakes.
It would have been helpful to hear Dr. Fauciâs insights and reflections on the pandemic⦠what could have been done to improve its management, and which decisions may have made the crisis worse.
But of course, the republican cowards werenât after the truth, and for that in some way I donât blame him for taking the cowardâs path. but he could have stepped up and put them in their place.
RFK Jr. called out the network on air for helping to silence dissent during COVID.
Dana Bash was getting visibly irritated, after she repeatedly tried to move the conversation away from censorship.
Then he aimed his fire at Dana Bash directly: âOf course you want to move on because you were part of the problem!â
KENNEDY: âWe need to protect our constitutional rights. That is the primary obligation in our country.â
BASH: âWhat does that mean?â
KENNEDY: âWell, during COVID, we completely dismantled our constitutional rights. We began censoring people in violation of the First Amendment.â
BASH: âYouâre saying what not to do, Iâm asking what to do.â
KENNEDY: âWell, thatâs something to do. That is the number one priority: we protect the Constitution.â
BASH: âForgive me, but youâre talking about rights and Iâm asking about a potential public health crisis that is coming. But I do want to⦠letâsâ¦â
KENNEDY: âAnd one of the mistakes we made last time was suppressing those rights. So people werenât being heard. Doctors who were saying, âYouâre doing it wrong,â were being marginalized and vilified.â
BASH: âAgain, I really want to move onâ¦â
KENNEDY: âYeah, of course you want to move on because you were part of the problem!â
BASH: âNo! I wasnât part of the problem!â
KENNEDY: âThere was absolute press malpractice. Your job is to have a fierce skepticism toward authority, and you werenât doing that.â
âYou were beating up on people who were dissenting!â
